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		<title>Comment on Ah, but anyone can shit on a play&#8230; by Jana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 13:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that Cameron Woodhead&#039;s qualification of Jane Simmons as &#039;mumsy&#039; was out of line and didn&#039;t help de-polarise the argument. I think there&#039;s a certain reflex in a lot of arts writing in this country to pigeon-hole people by class, age and suburb, as if doing that automatically tells you everything you should know about them. Completely agree: appalling.

However, can you submit some evidence of what you mean by &#039;establishment critics saying that no one else should be able to post a note on a blog saying something they disagree with&#039;; i.e., attacking the SOYP blog specifically for publicizing opinions contrary to their own? Quotes tied to specific authors, with links, for example? Also, some of my own - because I can speak for myself better than I can for other people.

Also, how do you suggest we (you and I) reframe the conversation? Democratization, point of view and context are all interesting, but please expand on your points. As much as I&#039;m tempted to tell you all I think about them, I want to be sure I know what &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt; mean when you mention them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that Cameron Woodhead&#8217;s qualification of Jane Simmons as &#8216;mumsy&#8217; was out of line and didn&#8217;t help de-polarise the argument. I think there&#8217;s a certain reflex in a lot of arts writing in this country to pigeon-hole people by class, age and suburb, as if doing that automatically tells you everything you should know about them. Completely agree: appalling.</p>
<p>However, can you submit some evidence of what you mean by &#8216;establishment critics saying that no one else should be able to post a note on a blog saying something they disagree with&#8217;; i.e., attacking the SOYP blog specifically for publicizing opinions contrary to their own? Quotes tied to specific authors, with links, for example? Also, some of my own &#8211; because I can speak for myself better than I can for other people.</p>
<p>Also, how do you suggest we (you and I) reframe the conversation? Democratization, point of view and context are all interesting, but please expand on your points. As much as I&#8217;m tempted to tell you all I think about them, I want to be sure I know what <i>you</i> mean when you mention them.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ah, but anyone can shit on a play&#8230; by Southerner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Southerner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But the problem is that the establishment crrrritics are saying that noone else should be able to post a note on a blog saying something they disagree with.  The review&#039;s MUST be uber-informed, contribute to your form of critical discussion or cite a bibliography before they&#039;re legit.  I think that the whole conversation should be reframed as one around democratisation, points of view and, more critically, context - rather than newspaper-aligned critics slagging off someone who cares about theatre, for being a &quot;middle-aged drama teacher&quot; (like that&#039;s something to be ashamed of)as Cameron Woodhead did today in The Fairfax, is pretty apalling (and a dog-whistle to your own egos).  We need to remember that noone asked Alison Croggon, Cameron Woodhead or Augusta Supple to blog, so why deny Ms Simmons the right to either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But the problem is that the establishment crrrritics are saying that noone else should be able to post a note on a blog saying something they disagree with.  The review&#8217;s MUST be uber-informed, contribute to your form of critical discussion or cite a bibliography before they&#8217;re legit.  I think that the whole conversation should be reframed as one around democratisation, points of view and, more critically, context &#8211; rather than newspaper-aligned critics slagging off someone who cares about theatre, for being a &#8220;middle-aged drama teacher&#8221; (like that&#8217;s something to be ashamed of)as Cameron Woodhead did today in The Fairfax, is pretty apalling (and a dog-whistle to your own egos).  We need to remember that noone asked Alison Croggon, Cameron Woodhead or Augusta Supple to blog, so why deny Ms Simmons the right to either.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ah, but anyone can shit on a play&#8230; by Jana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And hello everyone! Welcome to GS, and hope you find other things of interest while you&#039;re here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And hello everyone! Welcome to GS, and hope you find other things of interest while you&#8217;re here.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ah, but anyone can shit on a play&#8230; by Jana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, Southerner - welcome to GS!

The thing is, in the Australian discursive sphere as it is, it is just about impossible to make a substantial negative comment without being reduced to your subjective position - from a very limited pool of options. Review a show negatively, and immediately you hear that you are just envious, should go make your own art, are just being mean, haven&#039;t read enough... Make a negative appraisal of a blogger, and you&#039;re envious, just being mean, have read too much... More narrowly, either you are the inner-city overschooled elitist or some mumsy suburbanite.

It seems to me that this has lead to a situation where people simply fall back on their subjectivity and socio-economic background at all times, and often don&#039;t even attempt to ground their argument in some objective criterium. &#039;I hated this play, but I went to a private school where all we read was Aristotle in Greek&#039;, or &#039;I&#039;m too working-class to be bothered with this&#039;. It reduces the argument to a class war, five minutes in. And then everyone either descends into ad hominem accusations, or &lt;i&gt;agrees to disagree&lt;/i&gt;, lest someone get personally offended.

Both JS (I discuss her style above), the Global Mail article, the comments on TheatreNotes, and you in the above comment, basically employ this same mode of arguing. So do blogs throughout the country, theatre-goers in private conversations... 

Seriously, it&#039;s not important whether you&#039;re anti-elitist or not, whether I remind you of the girl who wants to be class representative, whether JS or I or you find anything or anyone off-putting. It&#039;s &lt;i&gt;not enough&lt;/i&gt;, incomplete, to stop at someone&#039;s feelings. Please let&#039;s argue with arguments, not with the person.

I have described in great many words what I think of SOYP. You have given me nothing to respond to yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, Southerner &#8211; welcome to GS!</p>
<p>The thing is, in the Australian discursive sphere as it is, it is just about impossible to make a substantial negative comment without being reduced to your subjective position &#8211; from a very limited pool of options. Review a show negatively, and immediately you hear that you are just envious, should go make your own art, are just being mean, haven&#8217;t read enough&#8230; Make a negative appraisal of a blogger, and you&#8217;re envious, just being mean, have read too much&#8230; More narrowly, either you are the inner-city overschooled elitist or some mumsy suburbanite.</p>
<p>It seems to me that this has lead to a situation where people simply fall back on their subjectivity and socio-economic background at all times, and often don&#8217;t even attempt to ground their argument in some objective criterium. &#8216;I hated this play, but I went to a private school where all we read was Aristotle in Greek&#8217;, or &#8216;I&#8217;m too working-class to be bothered with this&#8217;. It reduces the argument to a class war, five minutes in. And then everyone either descends into ad hominem accusations, or <i>agrees to disagree</i>, lest someone get personally offended.</p>
<p>Both JS (I discuss her style above), the Global Mail article, the comments on TheatreNotes, and you in the above comment, basically employ this same mode of arguing. So do blogs throughout the country, theatre-goers in private conversations&#8230; </p>
<p>Seriously, it&#8217;s not important whether you&#8217;re anti-elitist or not, whether I remind you of the girl who wants to be class representative, whether JS or I or you find anything or anyone off-putting. It&#8217;s <i>not enough</i>, incomplete, to stop at someone&#8217;s feelings. Please let&#8217;s argue with arguments, not with the person.</p>
<p>I have described in great many words what I think of SOYP. You have given me nothing to respond to yet.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ah, but anyone can shit on a play&#8230; by Jana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Matt (welcome!). I have thought of this for a long time, because, although there is a great emphasis on &#039;constructive criticism&#039; in the world of reviewing, I too get such a joy from reading a certain kind of witty, clever art-bashing - and people do!

For Spark, Carl and I would get inquiries from prospective reviewers, and we often talked about requesting a sample of negative reviewing as a way of portfolio. Being all positive is a very safe position to take. Being damning with style and depth and name and surname is the real challenge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Matt (welcome!). I have thought of this for a long time, because, although there is a great emphasis on &#8216;constructive criticism&#8217; in the world of reviewing, I too get such a joy from reading a certain kind of witty, clever art-bashing &#8211; and people do!</p>
<p>For Spark, Carl and I would get inquiries from prospective reviewers, and we often talked about requesting a sample of negative reviewing as a way of portfolio. Being all positive is a very safe position to take. Being damning with style and depth and name and surname is the real challenge.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On dance on film by Jana Perkovic on Facebook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jana Perkovic on Facebook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 15:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I have a separate thing for Twitter. Or rather, two. Word Social makes it easy to cross-post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I have a separate thing for Twitter. Or rather, two. Word Social makes it easy to cross-post.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On dance on film by Beatriz Maturana Cossio on Facebook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beatriz Maturana Cossio on Facebook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 15:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you mean that works with twitter??!! Can I have it? Pleeeease???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you mean that works with twitter??!! Can I have it? Pleeeease???</p>
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		<title>Comment on On dance on film by Jana Perkovic on Facebook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jana Perkovic on Facebook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 14:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has taken me only 3 months, and discarding 400 different Facebook plugins, to find a Facebook integrator of comments, likes, sends, recommends, and so on, that works. It is 01:41am, and I win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has taken me only 3 months, and discarding 400 different Facebook plugins, to find a Facebook integrator of comments, likes, sends, recommends, and so on, that works. It is 01:41am, and I win.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ah, but anyone can shit on a play&#8230; by Southerner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Southerner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 13:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry - I do have to say something else, and, believe me, I&#039;m not trolling or anything.  I just get need to say that you are doing to her, what you claim she&#039;s doing to the work.  You say that her reviews are like: ‘this play sucked because the director is stupid, and so 5 minutes in I wanted to go home and do my laundry instead‘ (which, I add, is very true). But do you even see that this response smacks of: &#039;somebody else is playing in my sandpit and they&#039;re playing a different game and maybe kicking sand and that reflects badly on me with the teacher because me and Ally and Augusta really want to be the class representives?&quot;  You rage against her slamming shows in her gauche fashion, and then slam her just with a few more larger words.  &quot;Well, this is what I wrote about Baal, Miss.  Do I get an &#039;A&#039;?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry &#8211; I do have to say something else, and, believe me, I&#8217;m not trolling or anything.  I just get need to say that you are doing to her, what you claim she&#8217;s doing to the work.  You say that her reviews are like: ‘this play sucked because the director is stupid, and so 5 minutes in I wanted to go home and do my laundry instead‘ (which, I add, is very true). But do you even see that this response smacks of: &#8216;somebody else is playing in my sandpit and they&#8217;re playing a different game and maybe kicking sand and that reflects badly on me with the teacher because me and Ally and Augusta really want to be the class representives?&#8221;  You rage against her slamming shows in her gauche fashion, and then slam her just with a few more larger words.  &#8220;Well, this is what I wrote about Baal, Miss.  Do I get an &#8216;A&#8217;?&#8221;</p>
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		<dc:creator>Southerner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 13:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My god!  The Vanguards of Literate Blogging take offence (in high dudgeon) to someone having access to their Hallowed Platform to tell us plainly what they thought!  Good fricking on SHIT ON YOUR PLAY!  The only time I&#039;m anti-elitist (because I believe that elite means good) is when elitists mercilessly denigrate anything that isn&#039;t.  Ah yes - &#039;but anyone can shit on a play&#039;.  Yes they can.  Yes, they have every right to. And, yes, you can wrap it up in as many erudite references as you like, but your patently greasy snobbery is really off-putting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My god!  The Vanguards of Literate Blogging take offence (in high dudgeon) to someone having access to their Hallowed Platform to tell us plainly what they thought!  Good fricking on SHIT ON YOUR PLAY!  The only time I&#8217;m anti-elitist (because I believe that elite means good) is when elitists mercilessly denigrate anything that isn&#8217;t.  Ah yes &#8211; &#8216;but anyone can shit on a play&#8217;.  Yes they can.  Yes, they have every right to. And, yes, you can wrap it up in as many erudite references as you like, but your patently greasy snobbery is really off-putting.</p>
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