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		<title>Comment on Audience behaviour in Berlin (Theatertreffen anecdote 01) by Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 05:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More than your average note on theatre etiquitte.

Sounds like an amazing situation. Kudos to director, actor, and audience.

I worry that Aus audiences don&#039;t enjoy theatre enough. They see pleasure as lying back and getting entertained, they don&#039;t see pleasure as being something you have to seek, to work for. Is it possible to have a parochial attitude to pleasure?

The Germans seem determined to anjoy the act of theatre, no matter the form or the level of quality. You have to appreciate that, it gives theatre a life beyond the marketplace, and makes the playhouses more than the emotional brothels in Aus. It opens up new possibilities.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IeMtQ-SZtA

Here&#039;s a video of Mike Daisey being walked out on mid-performance. It&#039;s interesting how he responds. And the way he looks at the guy who pours water on his notes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More than your average note on theatre etiquitte.</p>
<p>Sounds like an amazing situation. Kudos to director, actor, and audience.</p>
<p>I worry that Aus audiences don&#8217;t enjoy theatre enough. They see pleasure as lying back and getting entertained, they don&#8217;t see pleasure as being something you have to seek, to work for. Is it possible to have a parochial attitude to pleasure?</p>
<p>The Germans seem determined to anjoy the act of theatre, no matter the form or the level of quality. You have to appreciate that, it gives theatre a life beyond the marketplace, and makes the playhouses more than the emotional brothels in Aus. It opens up new possibilities.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IeMtQ-SZtA" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IeMtQ-SZtA</a></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a video of Mike Daisey being walked out on mid-performance. It&#8217;s interesting how he responds. And the way he looks at the guy who pours water on his notes.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Audience behaviour in Berlin (Theatertreffen anecdote 01) by Jana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2012 09:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree (see below: omission/commission). I am also hugely annoyed by nail-filing. It&#039;s a passive-aggressive response (and there is no joy in passive aggression) very much fueled by a sense of external constraint, either physical or psychological obstacles to walking out. Something like, &quot;you think walking out is bad, huh?! I&#039;ll show you bad behaviour!&quot;

The lesson of last night, for me, was that there is a great sense of joy and liberation in open outrage, even rudeness, and that it probably does not disturb the bystanders much; probably the opposite, actually. But the most difficult part to describe or explain is the most tactile: the feeling of freedom that overcomes you when you are in an audience prepared to have a discussion with the piece as it is occurring. The realization that this power, this agency, was always there, but you never took it. The problem with stressing politeness is that politeness is often an enormously passive-aggressive attitude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree (see below: omission/commission). I am also hugely annoyed by nail-filing. It&#8217;s a passive-aggressive response (and there is no joy in passive aggression) very much fueled by a sense of external constraint, either physical or psychological obstacles to walking out. Something like, &#8220;you think walking out is bad, huh?! I&#8217;ll show you bad behaviour!&#8221;</p>
<p>The lesson of last night, for me, was that there is a great sense of joy and liberation in open outrage, even rudeness, and that it probably does not disturb the bystanders much; probably the opposite, actually. But the most difficult part to describe or explain is the most tactile: the feeling of freedom that overcomes you when you are in an audience prepared to have a discussion with the piece as it is occurring. The realization that this power, this agency, was always there, but you never took it. The problem with stressing politeness is that politeness is often an enormously passive-aggressive attitude.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Audience behaviour in Berlin (Theatertreffen anecdote 01) by Jana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2012 08:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, Jane! So lovely to have you here!

Alison - I had that image of you booing opera very much in mind when I was organizing my thoughts about audience. I, of course, don&#039;t remember any other thing from the story, but it is one of my favourite stories about you, and one of the most vivid. In fact, I was a bit surprised that you didn&#039;t mention it in your etiquette piece.

There are audience sins of commission and omission, and I think the former are simply less annoying, because more appropriate to the situation. A person loudly booing, or attempting to stop a performance with applause, is actively involved in the theatre situation, and is much less quietly annoying than the person checking one&#039;s phone, or loudly chewing. But, equally, the person who turns around towards the smartphone-user and hisses a loud &quot;Shhh!&quot; is much less annoying than the one who gives them offended looks and thinks downfall-of-civilization thoughts for the duration of the show. And then tells the story to everyone later. Or rather, complains - because there is no story to tell. There has been no engagement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, Jane! So lovely to have you here!</p>
<p>Alison &#8211; I had that image of you booing opera very much in mind when I was organizing my thoughts about audience. I, of course, don&#8217;t remember any other thing from the story, but it is one of my favourite stories about you, and one of the most vivid. In fact, I was a bit surprised that you didn&#8217;t mention it in your etiquette piece.</p>
<p>There are audience sins of commission and omission, and I think the former are simply less annoying, because more appropriate to the situation. A person loudly booing, or attempting to stop a performance with applause, is actively involved in the theatre situation, and is much less quietly annoying than the person checking one&#8217;s phone, or loudly chewing. But, equally, the person who turns around towards the smartphone-user and hisses a loud &#8220;Shhh!&#8221; is much less annoying than the one who gives them offended looks and thinks downfall-of-civilization thoughts for the duration of the show. And then tells the story to everyone later. Or rather, complains &#8211; because there is no story to tell. There has been no engagement.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Audience behaviour in Berlin (Theatertreffen anecdote 01) by David Maney</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Maney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2012 08:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A delight, Jana. There are shows I&#039;ve forgotten everything about bar your walk-out or nail-filing. I prefer the former over the latter, if only because doing your nails makes the tedium of the show that much harder to bear for the rest of us.

One if my most memorable nights of theater was being called onto stage to play musical chairs with Nicola Gunn. After this she sat me down and asked me to hold a photo of her while she berated it -- or her, or me -- repeatedly calling it a cock-sucker. 

Your piece has come at the perfect moment. I&#039;m off to a one-on-one show at the Arts House, tonight at 9pm. The rendezvous had been organized by SMS this afternoon and the &quot;performance&quot; length will depend on my level of engagement. I am, predictably, nervous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A delight, Jana. There are shows I&#8217;ve forgotten everything about bar your walk-out or nail-filing. I prefer the former over the latter, if only because doing your nails makes the tedium of the show that much harder to bear for the rest of us.</p>
<p>One if my most memorable nights of theater was being called onto stage to play musical chairs with Nicola Gunn. After this she sat me down and asked me to hold a photo of her while she berated it &#8212; or her, or me &#8212; repeatedly calling it a cock-sucker. </p>
<p>Your piece has come at the perfect moment. I&#8217;m off to a one-on-one show at the Arts House, tonight at 9pm. The rendezvous had been organized by SMS this afternoon and the &#8220;performance&#8221; length will depend on my level of engagement. I am, predictably, nervous.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Audience behaviour in Berlin (Theatertreffen anecdote 01) by Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2012 05:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love this piece. It made me realise so many of my strongest memories of theatre work is connected to my own physical responses to the works - either invited or not invited. A refusal to clap, a spontaneous yelling out of &quot;No!&quot; when someone was about to walk into a snow storm, a cleaning of my finger nails, an imitation of a tampon, melting ice, throwing green ping pong balls, noticing I&#039;m not breathing, cheeks hurting from laughing too much, skipping through abandoned buildings, spilling coffee on myself, a laugh alone, a laugh in a group, struggling to not weep audibly, almost breaking the hand of a friend I was gripping so tightly ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love this piece. It made me realise so many of my strongest memories of theatre work is connected to my own physical responses to the works &#8211; either invited or not invited. A refusal to clap, a spontaneous yelling out of &#8220;No!&#8221; when someone was about to walk into a snow storm, a cleaning of my finger nails, an imitation of a tampon, melting ice, throwing green ping pong balls, noticing I&#8217;m not breathing, cheeks hurting from laughing too much, skipping through abandoned buildings, spilling coffee on myself, a laugh alone, a laugh in a group, struggling to not weep audibly, almost breaking the hand of a friend I was gripping so tightly &#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Audience behaviour in Berlin (Theatertreffen anecdote 01) by Alison Croggon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alison Croggon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2012 01:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Jana, that was fun. I remember seeing a performance of Cage&#039;s 4&#039;33&quot; which got similarly anarchic. As for my squib, I think my serious point was that, as a social situation, it&#039;s also worth considering other audience members too: it can be so annoying to have your concentration shattered by someone who simply can&#039;t be bothered to pay attention. Though you also reminded me of the time Daniel dragged me out of the opera because I was standing up and booing. It all depends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jana, that was fun. I remember seeing a performance of Cage&#8217;s 4&#8217;33&#8243; which got similarly anarchic. As for my squib, I think my serious point was that, as a social situation, it&#8217;s also worth considering other audience members too: it can be so annoying to have your concentration shattered by someone who simply can&#8217;t be bothered to pay attention. Though you also reminded me of the time Daniel dragged me out of the opera because I was standing up and booing. It all depends.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The original Rolling Stone review of Patti Smith&#8217;s Horses (1976) by Jana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2012 23:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This I posted to keep reminding us of what to aim for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This I posted to keep reminding us of what to aim for.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Doing things the long, hard, stupid way by The long, hard, stupid way &#124; Sasha Dichter&#039;s Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>The long, hard, stupid way &#124; Sasha Dichter&#039;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2012 10:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] bit the head off of a line cook at one of his restaurants for taking a shortcut in making a dish, excoriating him because, “Just because we’re a casual restaurant, doesn’t mean we don’t hold ourselves to [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on On dance on film by This is about as much as art can give anyone &#171; Centre for Screendance</title>
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		<dc:creator>This is about as much as art can give anyone &#171; Centre for Screendance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2012 20:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on The original Rolling Stone review of Patti Smith&#8217;s Horses (1976) by ChrisT</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 04:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In 1976 I turned to the local press, here in Oz, to find out a bit more about Smith.  The erstwhile Rock Australia Magazine (RAM) told me her &quot;tit size&quot; -- &quot;small but firm&quot; -- and little else.  [I couldn&#039;t make this shit up!]  

Reading this fucking awsome review three and a half decades on, I still learned a thing or two about her and her clan.  (Cale and Xenakis?!  Who knew?!  But, how right it seems.)  The contextaulisation is amazing.  The understanding of the artist as a poet performer -- that Smith&#039;s kind of poetry can&#039;t be written down with reducing it (*) -- is breathtaking.  

(*) My favourite line from Horses, from Land I think, is &quot;Johnny gets up, his sperm coughing...&quot;  But, as Smith chants it, it&#039;s also a &quot;sperm coffin&quot; [little deaths an&#039; all that jizz... sorry] and so much besides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 1976 I turned to the local press, here in Oz, to find out a bit more about Smith.  The erstwhile Rock Australia Magazine (RAM) told me her &#8220;tit size&#8221; &#8212; &#8220;small but firm&#8221; &#8212; and little else.  [I couldn't make this shit up!]  </p>
<p>Reading this fucking awsome review three and a half decades on, I still learned a thing or two about her and her clan.  (Cale and Xenakis?!  Who knew?!  But, how right it seems.)  The contextaulisation is amazing.  The understanding of the artist as a poet performer &#8212; that Smith&#8217;s kind of poetry can&#8217;t be written down with reducing it (*) &#8212; is breathtaking.  </p>
<p>(*) My favourite line from Horses, from Land I think, is &#8220;Johnny gets up, his sperm coughing&#8230;&#8221;  But, as Smith chants it, it&#8217;s also a &#8220;sperm coffin&#8221; [little deaths an' all that jizz... sorry] and so much besides.</p>
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